Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Second Chair as Warrior! Is this Biblical?

I'll give you my take on this later, but I wanted to hear from you all in the Second Chair Community. Do you ever see yourself as the Warrior who is sent into battle to fight the fight for the first chair, to keep them from getting too messy? Give us some of the story, some context, what you learned about yourself, how you felt.

There are some Old Testament Themes in and around this concept. What about in the New Testament Church? Is the Second Chair a place that executes judgment when it comes to church discipline?

I don't have all my thoughts formed around this, and I don't know if I am alone in this thinking. All I know is that over time, I have been given some pretty rough assignments and sometimes I was executing the will of another as part of my role. Don't you just love the second chair?

12 comments:

Doug said...

Greetings, I am new to the blogging arena for Second Chair, but have read the book and even bought it for two friends. Excellent resource. I have been in my second chair for a relatively short time, but do feel that part of my job is to make the first chair look good. I have not had to handle a discipline issue, but have had to take some assignments from my first chair basically because he did not want to do them. This has frustrated me a little at times because it was on top of everything I was already doing. Fortunately I serve a first chair that will fight his own battles.

Jay said...

Welcome Doug!! Glad to have you become part of the Second Chair Community.

Interesting post Roger...I've had to deal with this issue. It's been hard at times, because I don't know that I deliver it with the same passion and conviction, but I understand that part my role is to deflect some of those things from my first chair. Is it always comfortable, NO. But I understand it is necessary in most cases I've had to do it. I want people to like me, so it isn't easy for me to correct someone or to be the messenger of bad news to someone. Many times, I want so say, "Hey, don't shoot the messenger!"

Marie said...

Hey Doug...welcome to the group! Its great to have new voices and I think you will find this to be a pretty valuable place!

Just a quick note that I really enjoyed the new article on the website about loneliness. It was all very well stated.

I personally have not had to do a lot of "deflecting" for my first chair. When I have - it has been a bit uncomfortable - but very necessary. In fact I have even suggested to my first chair in the past that he let me "take the heat" a little more. I feel that at least as far as the worship team goes...its really important that anything positive he has to say - he should say directly to the group. Praise them as often possible! But, if he has any criticism or other more less-positive comments, I wish he would relay that to me first and let me take it from there. Not that I necessarily want to soften the message or anything but sometimes I know more about the particular situation since I work more directly with these people. Also - if they are going to react with any negativity, I would much rather that be aimed at me rather than him. Its an issue of loyalty and remembering that the "greater good" is much more important than any hits we may take as individuals.

Marie said...

And just to answer the question about it being bibilical...yes it is! and I know there are some great old testament stories that talk about this...but I need to go back and look for one in particular and I'll get back to you!

DivaD said...

Welcome Doug!

Will give this some thought... and come back to it.

Hope everyone's week has been a little less intense :o). Am praying for this group!

DivaD

PS - Enjoyed the article much! Thanks guys!

Doug said...

Thanks for the welcome! One example from the OT is Aaron for Moses. In relation to the question (okay sort of) there is the time when Moses was on Mount Sinai receiving the law Ex 32) from God and Aaron was left with the people. Granted he did not do a good job in Moses' absence. But the point is, he had a responsibility to lead while Moses was gone which in this case meant leading a group who were very much disgruntled. This meant taking a lot of heat for his number one.

Anonymous said...

I Samuel 3: Samuel was afraid to tell Eli the vision...
Several of us in 2nd chair positions are trying to function with a 1st chair in chaos. Thinking too of David and Saul...
The 2nds are rallying together and
leading by doing what I call "the work-around". An interesting tension between keeping the ministry functioning without exposing the weaknesses in the 1st chair. Warrior heart is definately needed. Boldness and courage. Hope it's OK for women in leadership to post here.
Thanks,
from a Christian Woman in Leadership

Marie said...

I haven't had a chance to get back to this lately but I can tell you that women are definitely welcome. I'm really glad to "see" a few more voices here. Sound like you are in a challenging position.

Clayton Bell said...

Back from blog oblivion...

I do think this is a biblical concept, but I don't know that I've ever been asked to do it. My pastor likes to be on the front lines, dealing with issues himself. Sometimes that's good, because he takes repsonsibility, sometimes it's bad, because we don't always have a chance to learn how to fight as well.

Honestly, this was kind of a confusing question to me. I'm rambling...

And, as I assume that I'll be getting an iPod this Saturday when my wife and I celebrate my birthday (march 4, but I'll be away from my wife), I'm waiting for the second chair leader podcast. Anyone else waiting for the second chair leader podcast?

Jay said...

Welcome back Clayton!!

I'm with you. We need a Second Chair Pod Cast. "Pod Cast" "Pod Cast"...(I'm chanting this out into the blogosphere!)

Happy Birthday too...I hope you get that IPOD.

Marie said...

I think a podcast is a great idea! And Happy birthday Clayton!

I am heading off to Australia on Thurs! This is a trip of a life-time and I am going to visit my oldest daughter who has been living there for the past 4 months. She will be coming home in another month or so but I will have almost two weeks over there with her. Given the expense I am traveling alone and leaving my husband and other two daughters to care for themselves. But - I may not get to blog very much while over there! I will have access to the internet at times while I'm there and I'll check in and see what you guys are up to..but if you don't hear from me for a few weeks, don't worry...I will be back!

DivaD said...

Touchin' base to see if everyone's as swamped as I am :o). Missin' the interaction...

Praying for you all!